In the season finale of Running Times with Gagz, Eddie Gieda returns to chat with Gagz about Season 1 and to update the listeners on his very personal – albeit public – quest. Eddie is a high-mileage endurance runner who uses running to process grief and loss. Eddie and Gagz wax poetic as they reflect on the three C’s of running: community, comradery, and competition.
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Thank you for listening to Running Times Season 1 and stay tuned for Season 2!
The 3 C’s of Running: Community, Comradery, Competition with Eddie Gieda and Danielle Kocher
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As I mentioned folks, this is the holiday season, this is the one time of year, for 11 months of the year I get called forest Gump. This time of year for this one month, they call me Santa and it makes me feel really happy when they call me Santa Claus at this time of year. Um, and because it’s the finale episode, I thought it’d be a good idea we started the season off with Eddie let’s book, end the season with, with Eddie and bring Eddie back.
Eddie: [00:02:44] Hey!
Gagz: [00:02:45] There he is, look at this guy. Oh,
Eddie: [00:02:47] What an honor, man. And I got to say, you know, we’re, we’re a little ways from the Christmas season, but you look full of you yuel.
Gagz: [00:02:55] Here we go. Thank you, my man. Hey, listen, Eddie. Speaking of Danielle’s [00:03:00] balls, have you had Danielle’s balls?
Eddie: [00:03:02] Oh, I certainly have.
Gagz: [00:03:03] When have you had Danielle’s balls?
Eddie: [00:03:04] Well, I’m an advocate of the Plants on Fire thing.
Gagz: [00:03:07] Yeah. Yes, you are. You are hardcore vegan.
Eddie: [00:03:10] Yeah, man. And I abide, you know, it’s like, I, I dig the, the mission statement. I’ve been following Danielle on Instagram and watching her athletic career blossoming and doing what she’s doing. And then the, uh, the nutrition end of things, kind of like followed it and it’s, I think it’s great, man.
Gagz: [00:03:27] You guys are gonna, are gonna meet her later on. So I’m feeling pumped up for that. Yeah. So today you are the, you are the host of the show that’s sorta sorta kinda, and, uh,
I get some questions towards you. We, we, we need to like, you know, fill in your audience a little bit.
Well, before we talk about me, which, you know, we could do, what have you been up to, man? He’s running a bazillion miles a day. Right. Actually, let me ask you.
Eddie: [00:03:54] Aside from running, there’s not really much to talk about that is there?
Gagz: [00:03:57] You started your streak February 19th of [00:04:00] 2020. That’s right? Yeah. Half marathon a day.
Eddie: [00:04:02] Averaging, averaging. Yeah.
Gagz: [00:04:03] Miles run. As of right now, how many miles are you into your streak?
Eddie: [00:04:08] That’d be, I think it’s 3,600, some 3,800 some, I don’t know. It’s somewhere around that man.
Gagz: [00:04:13] February 19th alone. Yes, man. That’s a hell of a lot of miles.
Eddie: [00:04:19] It’s been a crazy undertaking.
Gagz: [00:04:20] You broke 3000 for the year, August 30th, the same day that I broke 2000 for the year, August 30th. So that puts things in perspective here, the amount of miles that you’re running compared the amount of miles that I’m running, and people want to call me Forrest Gump. They should be calling you Forest Gump. How do you do it, man?
Eddie: [00:04:38] Dude, I don’t know where that kind of energy, that product comes from, I’m just happy it arrives every day, you know?
Gagz: [00:04:45] I bet you are.
Eddie: [00:04:46] And it’s like, dude, I’ve kind of orchestrated my life to get it to that point. You know what I mean? It’s like in, we talk a lot and right. You know, you’re, you’re acutely aware of my lifestyle and the kind of, it’s basically like I’ve [00:05:00] created this little system day to day that enables me to get out and do what I do.
Gagz: [00:05:06] It’s great. Well, you have it down Pat, you have a very simple life. You don’t cloud your life with a lot of bullshit, kind of like Danielle’s balls, quite frankly.
There’s no, I mean, there’s no bullshit in your life. You have cut out all the extraneous nonsense and it’s great, you know, because. We live different lives, man. I mean, we’re just like you and I live way different lives. We come together on a lot of different things, you know, the responsibilities that I have, the life that I live, the things that I need to do with my life.
Like you were totally different. So when I look at a guy like you, man, I get a little envious at times, Eddie. I really do. You know, you have the ability to pick up and just, you can do whatever you want whenever you want. However you want enter to nobody. That’s fucking rock and roll,
Eddie: [00:05:50] man. You know, I did send you a photo of where I’m sleeping.
I always told you, man, there’s room for an extra cot. I mean, I’m living, I’m living in a concrete [00:06:00] room, been on a very. You know, a cot on a concrete floor. Yeah. You know, my, my bags are hung up from the door.
Gagz: [00:06:07] Its simple that way.
Eddie: [00:06:08] Yeah, man. You know, it’s simple. It’s, it’s a stripped down as I can get it. The money that I make basically goes into fueling my body.
Gagz: [00:06:16] We live different lives.
Eddie: [00:06:16] Yeah, man. But you know, I’m, I’m thrilled that every day I’m healthy enough and mentally well enough to get out and do what I do. You know, and every day I usually start my run around 9:00 PM, 10:00 PM. I’m out running at nighttime and I’m getting in a minimum of 10 maximum. I think that it was that the loopy loop or where I ran just, just under 50.
So. And when you’re sandwiching a lot of these streaks where it’s like you’re running 10 miles the day before a 50 mile race, and then the next day you could have run another 10. That’s where it starts getting really challenging then
Gagz: [00:06:49] Insanity.
Eddie: [00:06:49] Yeah. It’s totally nuts. I don’t know where it came from. It just sort of, it accumulated snowballed in on itself, you know, after India, I just kept running and running, never [00:07:00] took a break. Once you get about a hundred days, like we did together, we did that. Yes.
Gagz: [00:07:05] Where we had a hundred days together. That was your, your hundredth day of the half marathon streak, correct? Yeah, it was the same day when the protest broke out here in Philadelphia for George Floyd back on May 30th, 2020.
Eddie: [00:07:18] Right on.
Gagz: [00:07:19] So that was a hundred day.
Eddie: [00:07:20] That was a hundred it’s. It’s absolutely nuts, man. If you think about like, What happened between when I began that streak in India and where we are now, it’s the whole, whole freaking world.
Gagz: [00:07:31] What happened over in India?
Eddie: [00:07:32] You know, it was the day after we got back from Varanasi. We were at the Ganges river for a week and we got back to Delhi and I started running.
I was because we were in the, in the van a lot. We basically road tripped all over India, all over the sub-continent. And after about a 16 hour drive, we got back to Delhi and Lila Vati and I had. About a week of downtime before we flew back West and I was starting my streak there, I was just like, man, I had to take days [00:08:00] off.
I wasn’t used to doing that. I only ran like 200 miles, 300 miles in February, drove me nuts and, uh, Yeah. When I was running in India, they were experiencing social tamale man, like historic riots that were going on in India, in Delhi. And it had a lot to do with, you know, like similar social circumstances that we’re experiencing here, including documentation, immigration, et cetera.
Gagz: [00:08:25] You and I were so tripped out by the fact that the hundredth day comes and now there’s social unrest on your hundredth day, but we were so stoked. We’re just like, Oh my God, a hundred days. Like, you’re really doing it. And then now it’s been what? 300 days almost, or close, close to
Eddie: [00:08:39] 300. Yeah. It’s like two 70, something like that.
Gagz: [00:08:42] And now it’s very much just a part of what you’re doing. It’s a part of what you do. Yeah.
Eddie: [00:08:48] Yeah. It’s nuts, man. I mean, there’s been COVID lockdowns national guard deployment. I mean, I remember running along the Delaware river and hearing explosions all over the city and it turned out to be [00:09:00] ATM heists. That’s the kind of world that we’re living in, man. It’s freaking insane.
Gagz: [00:09:05] Since we last spoke on the podcast, um, you know, you had a number of great things happen in your career and you guys have a new album. You have a new LP out. EP. You are once again, all over Diadora. I woke up one morning and Diadora Volos came out.
Oh yeah. And your legs were everywhere, literally everywhere. And by the time this airs, you will have done the question and answer session for the New Jersey marathon. Folks at home, if you haven’t seen it yet, you need to check out on YouTube, put in Story 0003: Eddie. Uh, you can watch a great five minute moving. Very, very moving documentary. Well shot. It’s just so, so well done.
Eddie: [00:09:50] I thought they did a great job, man.
Gagz: [00:09:52] Fucking awesome. And I could tell it was you from the very first scene, your little like your, your
Eddie: [00:09:57] Stide to the left, left leg kicking out?
[00:10:00] Gagz: [00:09:59] Foot dangling out there, your little cute left foot, just hanging out there.
But, um, so it’s just so well done. And the part like you and I spoke about this privately, and I think you even put it on your, on your social media too, but, um, it’s you and I know what you, but. It’s not the Eddie who I know today, you have grown a significant amount just from the time that you weren’t in India, yet you haven’t even left for India.
Right. So you were a different man. Um, and I see the changes in you now.
Eddie: [00:10:34] Thanks, man. I think it goes, uh, it’s a testimonial about just how transformative and how much of a metamorphosis running could actually be. The kind of work that you do on yourself while you’re out there, traversing miles, especially when you’re in solitude and you’re kind of doing your own thing. I think it forces you to make some serious reconciliations.
Yeah. When I’m watching that video, it’s like, obviously we shot that video [00:11:00] in January. It was supposed to come out in May when the New Jersey marathon was supposed to happen. Obviously the world had different plans and a lot of these things along with a myriad of different races and whatever, all got shelved, they got either canceled or shelled or whatever I didn’t have.
I was just being very, I exercised the bit of humility. I didn’t ask them, Hey, what’s going to happen with the shoot that we did. You know, we spent a couple of days. We were running and filming outside in January at Dawn. So it was like,
Gagz: [00:11:29] and now the race is, is a virtual race.
Eddie: [00:11:31] That’s right.
Gagz: [00:11:32] Yeah. So that’s gone virtual on the 14th of November. I’m just going to time travel here for a second. And I’m going to say that your question answer session that you did online was fucking awesome. Um,
Eddie: [00:11:43] Oh, it was so great.
Gagz: [00:11:44] It was awesome. I’ve never heard anything better in, in my life. Eddie leading up to that lately. You know what I wanted to ask you? Do you ever think that right now, I mean, obviously you’re running for health reasons, for mental health reasons, for [00:12:00] your physical health, for all kinds of reasons. But there seems to be no, this story, this, this, this loss, this is part of your identity now. Um, do you ever wonder if you’re going to run, if you’re going to escape that one day or maybe run away from that, or is it just a part of you now?
Eddie: [00:12:19] That’s a good question, dude.
Gagz: [00:12:20] I think about that a lot.
Eddie: [00:12:22] I think about that a A lot too,
Gagz: [00:12:23] you know, you and I have had some great conversations over time. You know, you’ve alluded to maybe one day, maybe one day, you’ll go here or you’ll go there and kind of leave things behind. Um, do you ever, does it ever get too heavy for you?
Eddie: [00:12:38] I think it does. I mean, I think what’s really important. For example, when you’re looking at, my story from a third person point of view, I think that it’s important to realize that you’re not necessarily tethered to your past. You know what I mean? Like there is, I think in the human pantomime, I think it’s underplayed just how much we could actually change and metamorphosize, and we can [00:13:00] process these things and traumas in our past and move forward as the streak continues and I’m doing.
What I’m doing, you know, it’s kind of like a work in progress. It’s a, it’s a painting that I’m constantly working on and, and very publicly sort of putting it out there. It’s working for me. And I hope it works for other people. If they get some level of insight or motto from it, you know, that’s, that’s mission accomplished.
So, yeah, but it does get heavy. And I remember, you know, it’s like, You know, the first couple of weeks after you like lose a spouse, it’s like you’re. And especially in a tragic way like that, you’re like, Holy fuck, man, is this like, um, I’m going to be that guy. I’m like the guy, that’s like a widow now I’m fucking young.
It’s well, youngish, but it’s like, you’re like, God damn, is this going to be it? Like, this is who I am. No, I’m going to like P are people going to look at me and think like, Oh, it’s like, this is that guy. He’s like a dude that lost somebody. And it’s like, it’s, it’s daunting. When you start thinking about traumas, defining you. You know, and you start being-
Gagz: [00:13:58] right again,
[00:14:00] Eddie: [00:13:59] tethered into this sort of thing. And it’s like, it’s a struggle, you know? And I, and I think that like the insane level of running the streaking, all this sort of stuff really has to do with like processing these things and processing loss and grief in a positive way.
Gagz: [00:14:14] How long do you think the streak will last
Eddie: [00:14:16] for. Only a year or if the wheels fall off the wagon before that, I don’t really have anymore. Any interest on pushing this over another hundred some days.
Gagz: [00:14:25] So we’re going to go into February 19th, I guess, February 20th and okay.
Eddie: [00:14:29] When you’re talking about a leap year too, right?
Gagz: [00:14:31] Yeah. So you’ll have an extra day in this and your goal is to be 4,500 miles
Eddie: [00:14:37] for the year for 2020.
Gagz: [00:14:39] Okay. Okay. So for, so for 2020 year goal before if I put it 500 miles for the year,
Eddie: [00:14:43] yeah. I can add 5,000 for. February 19 to February 20 beat wicked. It’d be wicked.
Gagz: [00:14:49] You’re on pace to do it, man. It’d be cool.
Uh, my, uh, my goal is to hit 3000 for the year and I believe I’m at 2,600 and change right now. So yeah, I, I’m pretty [00:15:00] sure it’s going to happen.
Eddie: [00:15:02] Have you been taking rest days during your week?
Gagz: [00:15:05] have been And I’m still doing like my pushups and stuff and stretching and, and whatnot, but, um, Yeah, I definitely take rest days.
I can’t do what you do, Eddie.
Eddie: [00:15:15] Um, I think you could.
I, I could, but at what, like, for me, I’m just, I just get so worried about you know, injuries and forcing it, you know. For me, if I have to force it, if I have to like literally force myself to run, um, when I know I’m not feeling my best or something that work at the push and because I have a lot going on in my life, I’m, I’m from pretty busy guy.
So if the time for me to run comes and my foot’s jacked up or my stomach, whatever. It’s like, it’s like, you know, um, maybe it’s best if I just hold off for, for, for a little bit.
Uh, you’re so pragmatic
Gagz: [00:15:53] We’re different in that sense, but I, so I do take rest days. I’m not afraid of a rest
Eddie: [00:15:57] day. I do you think there’s such thing as junk miles. I [00:16:00] mean, I actually Teeter on whether or not this is a reality or not, but. Lately. I have been reconciling with junk miles. Okay. A lot of what I’m doing out there sometimes feels like it too. You know
Gagz: [00:16:11] Yeah but you’re doing it with with a spiritual purpose.
Eddie: [00:16:13] There’s a purpose behind it. That, that supersedes the physicality.
Gagz: [00:16:16] right, right. Yeah. Right.
Eddie: [00:16:19] Keep streaking, man. So, uh, gags.
Gagz: [00:16:24] Yes. Talk to me, Eddie.
Eddie: [00:16:26] Philadelphia. Okay. You become the patron Saint in a lot of ways of ultra running and Philadelphia.
Gagz: [00:16:33] Wow. Okay.
Eddie: [00:16:34] Yeah. Come on. Philadelphia magazine says so.
Gagz: [00:16:39] Yeah, that’s pretty funny. That blew me away Eddie, when they told me that, um, I got an email from them late in June.
Uh, and I’m sorry, uh, early June or late may. And they’re like, Hey, listen, I was thinking about doing some kind of, you know, green space area in the city with COVID. We were going to [00:17:00] send out, uh, Jeff Frasco to, uh, for like a photo shoot. Would you be interested in doing this? And I was like, yeah, sure, no problem.
So we aside, we were talking about different, different places to meet. We want to meet at the 69th street at the, uh, tower theater there and yeah. So I just had this, this photo shoot. That was it. I didn’t know,
Eddie: [00:17:17] it unbeknownst to you what the actual purpose was?
Gagz: [00:17:20] Not a clue. I had no idea. Yeah. I’m just waiting for the magazine to come out and figuring like the, a picture of me Dano talking about running whatever, you know, nothing.
I didn’t think any, I never even thought twice about it right on all of a sudden I’m in work. Um, I was on a phone call. I saw I had a message from my sister-in-law. I was like, I, whatever, I just, you know, it was going to come, I’m just going back to work. Cause I was like, I literally had things going on, but I looked at my phone again and I, I think it burned my hand.
Like I was like, Whoa. And I saw right in here, I was, I was named that’s the Philly 2020 ultra runner, which is pretty crazy. [00:18:00] Um, yeah, I’m still kind of like, wow, that happened.
Eddie: [00:18:04] So Philly, I feel that’s one of the Mo more runnable cities of the East coast. Yes. You know, having run a significant amount and a lot of different cities up and down the Eastern seaboard, but what makes Philly so unique and special that you would want to circum ambulated 76 miles?
Gagz: [00:18:24] Great question Eddie. Um, yeah, I’m sitting here right now. I’ve got, I could from a HDR up in Mayfair. Um, you know, it’s all the neighborhoods in Northeast Philadelphia. Uh, I love my city, man. I, I always had, when, when I, when I look at the shape of Philadelphia on the map, it’s just such an iconic shape.
And I’ve talked before when that the astronaut posted that picture on Instagram, Philadelphia from outer space. I mean, it just blew my mind. It blew my mind. So [00:19:00] for me to run my city, the way that I did. Like you ask why to me, I’d say like, why not? I mean, there’s nothing, there’s nothing going on. Like my did that, the world shut down.
My only job, my only job was to remain healthy and be there for my family. That’s it. And for me to be a healthy man, I got to do my thing. And part of my thing is running and. When my race would’ve got wiped out. I mean, I was supposed, I had 600 milers on the books just for this year.
Eddie: [00:19:32] I remember that we were talking at the, uh, the Rocky K it’s like, so what’s on your agenda for 2020, a laundry list that lasted at least two miles. And you’re talking about these things you’re going to do.
Gagz: [00:19:42] Right. Right. So that was my year. And when you take that away from me, man, like, you know, I’ve got, I got some things that I need to. I would say running keeps me out of trouble. You know what I mean? Sure. And it’s true. And so when [00:20:00] that was taken away from me, And now you’re gonna lock me in the house with him, with my wife and kids who I, who I do.
I love of course, but you’re still locking me in fucking house with my wife and kids and the world is ending. What, how am I supposed to do, like, I need something to do or I’m going to go crazy. And if I start going back to where I was 10, 12 years ago, I’m not going to make another couple more years period.
End of discussion. So. That’s why I had to do it. It was just to be able to drown myself in that process for weeks on end, where like, I just get obsessed, you know, like we heard Todd just blessed episode. He’s a man of extremes. And when he becomes obsessed with, with a project it’s like all consuming, you know, and yeah.
That’s what I needed in my life at that point. And I knew it was going to be a big deal with my ultra friends, you know? And since there’s no races, I, I did it for them
Eddie: [00:20:55] right on. Yeah.
Gagz: [00:20:57] So, you know, it’s like, why not? Like, [00:21:00] that’s why for me, I had to do that. Eddie. I had to do that. And since then, like I think we’ve had something like. I want to say close to two, a dozen runners. Um, well over 25 cyclists and another guy just finished it in pieces, walking it, Mike, uh, Mike Gerrazzo.
Cool. Yeah, it’s just. That’s awesome. I mean, to me, that’s so special. So one of the things I’d like to do moving forward in the year 21, I’m saying it now because I’m lazy and I need to get this done, but, um, I want to make this course an FKT and put it out there, officially run this thing again for, uh, like do it for time, you know, and yeah, just put it out there.
Eddie: [00:21:39] I’m very interested in doing it.
Gagz: [00:21:41] The whole thing. Yeah. Oh shit.
Eddie: [00:21:43] I know, man. That really? Yeah. That’d be a mileage PR for me too.
Gagz: [00:21:47] Yeah. Your and your mileage PR Eddie took place this summer at the loopy looper.
Eddie: [00:21:52] Loopy Looper man.
Gagz: [00:21:54] It was awesome. Awesome day.
Eddie: [00:21:55] I am not an ultra bad-ass like you, you know.
Gagz: [00:21:58] You’re getting there though, man.
[00:22:00] Eddie: [00:21:59] Ah, I got a ways to go, man. I’m
Gagz: [00:22:02] you are getting there. No, like one of the best parts about that race. And I talked about it on, on my Instagram also was that final loop that, uh, You and I had together.
Eddie: [00:22:10] Well, that was, that was the icing on the cake for me, man. Awesome.
Gagz: [00:22:14] It was cool. Was awesome. Cause I fought so damn hard that whole day. It Was hot that day. It was hot August day now I don’t think I’ve wore a shirt the entire day. I had had my bucket hat on and it was just business from the time that gun went off. No, I, I didn’t stop, you know, and, uh,
Eddie: [00:22:32] soldiered on that course I did. There was nothing easy about that day, man. I mean, that sun was literally, it was penetrative.
It was penetrative.
Gagz: [00:22:41] It was hot that day, man. It’s really bad. Yeah, it’s definitely hot. But, uh, you know, I just fought hard and. That final loop when like we just kinda sinked up like that wasn’t planned. It just kind of worked out that way, you know? And I was like, this is how it’s supposed to be. It
Eddie: [00:22:54] was perfect to like half a loop or something like that together. Then we stopped at our age [00:23:00] stations.
Gagz: [00:23:00] At some point, because I know in the beginning we didn’t want, we didn’t start together. I don’t think I did come across you and Lee Lavati and some others, um, during the day. That was pretty funny.
Eddie: [00:23:10] Um, she showed up and she did a whole loop with us.
Gagz: [00:23:14] Yeah.
Eddie: [00:23:14] I did a one loop walking, know a brisk walk and she’s like, Oh, I’ll run it or walk it with you.
Gagz: [00:23:19] And that’s, and I, I think that’s when I saw you, but, but for the most part, I mean, I was by myself for the better part of the day, which is kind of how I like it, frankly, to be able to zone out, you know, fall into that autopilot, fall into that. Yeah, there’s a couple of moments I had during that race where, you know, I could almost feel myself, like I there’s these moments where you have you get these senses, these States of euphoria and these distances.
And Todd mentioned it when we were talking in our last interview. Um, and these moments of euphoria where you had these outer body moments. And I had a couple of those that day, where I could literally. I could see myself running. Like it was like, I was like, I could see myself running from above. Right.
Eddie: [00:23:58] Non, yeah. I was just [00:24:00] going to ask you that, you know, it’s like when you’re at these high, high mileage is like, you’re hitting like my lady five and a hundred miler, or you’re running a 12 mile race and you’re a 12 hour race and you’re hitting. Mild 62 or 63. What is that? That extra push? What, what, where, where does it come from?
What is it? Is it that experience that you’re talking about? Where you’re like almost getting this psychedelic sort of high where you’re like, I can do this because I’m not I’m present, but I’m not actually fully.
Gagz: [00:24:30] Yeah. It’s like ops in your, I’m getting all like, I’m like ready to fucking go, you know, like, let’s go.
Um, where does it come from that extra push? Like. You know, what’s going to come, you know, you’re going to, you’re going to tap into it at some point in time. And I’ve said before, how you know these great highs are met with great lows. So always before I have those moments where I had these outer body moments or these moments of euphoria, these deep runner highs, which is why I’m chasing the [00:25:00] dragon man, frankly.
Um, they’re always met with Lowe’s first, you know, so for me, It’s invariably, somewhere in the, in thirties, like 35 and mile 33, they would usually have to do that, that 50 K Mark until the mid forties, without doubt, every single time I’ve done on these stupid races, I want to die in the thirties. I mean, I just, I don’t understand what I’m doing.
Yes. I hate myself. Um, I think of a million different things I could be doing because I’d think I don’t want to do like paint the fucking bathroom, you know, things that I like. I have a list of things that need to be around the house and it’s like, well, I probably should have done that chore today. Or. And you just, I just want to die.
And I just, I get so mad at myself when I’m out there and it’s like, what the, like, why am I doing this to myself? Like, what am I trying to prove? You know? And then now I think about quitting, of course I don’t, I’ve never DNF. No.
Eddie: [00:25:55] Yeah. Knock on wood. Um, this has been discussed a couple of times over the course of this [00:26:00] series.
Gagz: [00:26:00] Couldn’t even say it out loud, but, um, so. I know that when that low comes at some point in time, I’m going to get hit with the high. And when the high comes. Then I know it was just a matter of holding on, you know, it’s just, I, I love that.
Eddie: [00:26:17] Would you say that that-
Gagz: [00:26:18] I love the fight.
Eddie: [00:26:19] -that pendulum is what makes you tick
Gagz: [00:26:25] Jesus.
Eddie: [00:26:28] You got to realize, man, I’m, I’m usually listening to this podcast. This podcast comes, it gets into my ears at about 11 o’clock, 12 o’clock at night, the following day,
Gagz: [00:26:40] even my kids are tired of me. So I’m tired of hearing that.
Eddie: [00:26:44] I hear that. Yeah.
Gagz: [00:26:48] It does make me tick adding quite frankly, that pendulum.
Eddie: [00:26:54] I think there’s something to be said about superseding that 50 K Mark, you get into those [00:27:00] forties and I’ve only experienced this once, but there is a physiological and psychological plateau that sort of like. Kicks into gear. You’re you’re in a gear actually, where you have a lot of momentum moving forward
Gagz: [00:27:13] and that gear, it’s not a, it’s what I call second gear.
Um, man, maybe third gear, but, uh, it’s just a steady cruise control, you know? And when I get into that gear, like once that gear hits and the longer I’ve been doing this, I can fall into that gear quicker, you know?
Eddie: [00:27:30] Yeah. It’s just becomes cruise control and literally it’s like everything else fades. Nothing else matters.
Gagz: [00:27:38] I get so focused on just. The moment, the step that I’m in the mile, that I’m in one, the mile that I’m in. Yeah. I get so caught up in that.
Eddie: [00:27:48] That’s a deep level of meditation, isn’t it?
Gagz: [00:27:51] It is. It varies. It is very much a moving meditation, you know? Um, yeah, when you’re, when you’re doing these kinds of distances, that’s what it becomes [00:28:00] ultimately.
Eddie: [00:28:01] I’ve witnessed this detachment pacing you.
Gagz: [00:28:05] You paced me for pine for pine Creek 100
Eddie: [00:28:07] for pine Creek, because when you’re talking to him, I mean, obviously the 12 hour loopy Looper, that was a bit, it’s a different kind of race, isn’t it?
Gagz: [00:28:15] It is. It’s very much a different kind of race. Cause I forgot loop.
It was a 3.75 mile loop, which we ran for 12 hours straight, something like pine Creek. It’s a 50 mile out in back, which you run twice on the, uh, Gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous rail trail up in Northern Pennsylvania, Tyler County, just outside of Wellsboro
Eddie: [00:28:35] true gym.
Gagz: [00:28:36] Beautiful. And I’ve been there three times now for this race.
I ran it in 2016, run in 2017. I ran it again in 2020. I’m a glutton for punishment, parts of that course. It’s pancake flat. And there’s parts of that course that just go on forever. Like literally. For miles, miles, and miles. And it just, it feels like it’s never going to end. I was dreading that part, like getting ready [00:29:00] for that race. I was dreading dreading that section of the course it’s just flat and it goes on forever.
Eddie: [00:29:04] That level of monotony on that trail is
Gagz: [00:29:07] out of control. You really need to be strong. You really need to be in your head and have your head, your head game straight. Yeah. If you’re pushing it, you know, and I was certainly pushing it.
Eddie: [00:29:17] It was unbeknownst to me why? I mean, we went up there for the weekend. Right. And I didn’t know why the final 20 miles you’re like, all right, look me up with strong 20 at the end.
Gagz: [00:29:29] Even my crew was like, why do you need us up there? You know? Um, Like for those at home, I had my wife, Shannon, our, and my friend name or our friend Amy.
Uh, they’ve both been with me from my first a hundred mile there and I’ve done 800 miles plus Tahoe. That’s right. So there’s been 900 or greater. Um, they’ve been with me for six of those nine races.
Eddie: [00:29:49] Yeah. These guys have these ladies and girls. They have older a well, well established system, man. This is fine oiled machine.
Gagz: [00:29:58] And I should say this and [00:30:00] I’m, I’m, I’m going to call them the girls. They’re both women. They’re both professional women, their mothers, um, they’re business ladies, but, uh,
Eddie: [00:30:07] they’re all around bad-ass is
Gagz: [00:30:08] they? They are, but when they’re with us, they’re the girls. And so the girls they’ve been with me from pretty much day one, and they question it’s like, well, why are you.
But you need this up there for this, you know, you’ve done these things. I’ve done harder races by myself. And I was like, listen guys, I had goals in mind, you know, and for me to hit these goals, I need a line. I need a little extra help and they know how to work with me on race day. And Eddie. I mean, you, you were with me for.
The Philly four corners run when you and I ran together for those 20 miles. That’s right in front of the Ben Franklin bridge all the way out to 63rd and market. That was a great
Eddie: [00:30:44] man. What a great section of that run.
Gagz: [00:30:46] And it was all talk about what we didn’t talk about was the fence at the stadiums.
Eddie: [00:30:53] You know?
Yeah. Th the 76 miler has been mentioned a lot in this podcast, but we, that was [00:31:00] a story that was never really brought
Gagz: [00:31:01] up. Eddie can climb over a fence cause down by the stadiums, it was blocked off. And when I was doing my re my recognizance for that run, that road was open. It was like, I believe 11th street to Darren or Darien to 11th and 11th to us to do it to abroad.
Yeah. Well, we get there and by the Eagles stadium, like that fence was blocked. It was now locked and closed. It was
Eddie: [00:31:24] probably something COVID related. Probably it was a lockdown. You know, everything was like, it was really crazy.
Gagz: [00:31:30] April 25th, the whole world was just shut down and you and I, well me, I was too stubborn to backtrack because I was so focused on the integrity of the map.
Eddie: [00:31:39] I was just going to say, it’s like, I’m not compromising the integrity of the map.
Gagz: [00:31:43] And I’m already like, I don’t know, probably 25, 28 miles in like someone
Eddie: [00:31:48] running you’ve been running all night. Yeah,
Gagz: [00:31:50] well, yeah. I mean like a marathon distance, like somewhere around there and it’s just, we’re just starting to like, you know, like things are starting to get real now and Eddie’s like, well, I’m, I’m just [00:32:00] gonna climb the fence.
So Eddie climbs his fence, you know, he’s like fucking 10 foot fence. He scrolls off it and like sh and he’s all skinny mini and I’m standing like, what am I going to do? Like, I, you know, I have a fucking backpack on full of stuff. I had to like wiggle through Eddie, had a pull this fence as hard as you could.
That’s right. And I almost got stuck and I’m saying to myself, dude, if I get stuck in the middle of my run, like. My dad’s a farm and he’s a retired fireman. My, my brothers are Lieutenant on the job now, every once in a while they would tell me stories like crazy stories. I didn’t want to be a fucking crazy story for someone’s Thanksgiving.
Totally aware we had to go this stupid guy with a beard. He got caught in the fence and, uh, we had to go solve the fence down by the Eagles stadium. I didn’t want to be that dude
Eddie: [00:32:48] tattooed hippie guy was with him, was like freaking out crying.
Gagz: [00:32:51] Very much so. So I just made it through there. So you been with me like, I mean, you’ve paced me for that. So having you [00:33:00] up there at pine Creek was like a no brainer. You know what I mean? Plus you’ve got such a gas tank and a set of legs on you. I need to break you into the ultra world. So in my little head, I’m like, Hey, let’s get out of you up there. Let’s, let’s kind of what is beak a little bit and see what’s up there.
So thank you for, for coming up there. Cause you kept me on pace for that, for that last 20,
Eddie: [00:33:22] that was joyous weekend and it, that you fought hard for those last 20.
Gagz: [00:33:26] Thank you, man.
Eddie: [00:33:27] There’s a lot of fight and go on because it’s, you know, you’re talking a lot about this pendulum swinging, the pendulum was swinging low towards the end there we were in those nineties.
Gagz: [00:33:37] And I hit a high, um, you know, mile at the a hundred K Mark. Um, before the race started ultra run signup had me coming in, I think, 12th place. And for those at home, listening to the algorithm on ultra bonds sign up. I don’t understand it. Um,
Eddie: [00:33:55] I’m not even aware of this.
Gagz: [00:33:56] Well, that 12th place. I had a chip on my shoulder [00:34:00] going up there quite yet, frankly.
Eddie: [00:34:01] Or you even run the race. They’re trying to run predictions.
Gagz: [00:34:04] Yeah. Even for roster now, for, for, for frosty Looper, I. Won the race in 2019. Yeah. When they opened it up. Yeah. I ran the race in 2020 broke my own course record, right. 75 miles in 11 hours and 40, 43 minutes. Yeah. So now it’s an eight hour race.
The same course I’m registered get, think, Hey, this guy’s going to do pretty
Eddie: [00:34:30] well. Right. Probably going to finish in the top three.
Gagz: [00:34:32] No, they had me coming in 16th.
Eddie: [00:34:34] Oh, come on, man. Where I
Gagz: [00:34:36] swear to God. So I’m pissed off daddy. So why I went up to this hotel, but I went up to him.
Eddie: [00:34:41] Maybe Scott Jurich is running it.
Gagz: [00:34:43] Yeah. Right.
Eddie: [00:34:44] He’s going to take first, second and third.
Gagz: [00:34:46] So when I went out to, uh, pine Creek, you know, I had, I had goals in mind when I went up there, my mission was I’m going, I’m going sub 17. And I want a spot on that podium. That’s it. That’s what I wanted to do because in 2016, I finished it in [00:35:00] 20, 20 hours.
And change came in for the place. Yeah, 2017. I finished it in 17 hours and 30 something minutes. I came in fourth place and it was crazy. It was, I beat the winning time from the year before by 25 minutes. Yeah. So I won my spot on that podium at pine Creek, but I’ve learned over the years that you can’t necessarily.
You know, in something like this in a race, you can’t determine how well you did based on how well others did. So for example, if I ran the a hundred miles in, I don’t know, 13 hours, right. But 10 guys ran it in 12 hours and I come in 11th place. Is that a bad race? Hell no. Nope. It’s a great race. Of course.
So the whole podium thing is like, whatever, but I knew I had time goals. I had to hit my time goals. I could hit it. I just hit a spot on the podium. So I was tracking my prediction. And it pissed me off quite frankly. And then the week of the race, Pete costal, Nick registers for the further race cosmic for those at home.
I mean, he is just a stud, this guy broke the [00:36:00] Trans-Am record from running cross America record. That was thought to be unbeatable. He’s crushed it. He also ran from the tip of Alaska down to the Florida keys all in one shot. Um, God man, dude’s Strava last year. All right now, I call you a mile ham dude.
Strava sent Picasa Nick, a birthday cake for his 10,000 miles. He ran last year in 2020
Eddie: [00:36:27] annual
Gagz: [00:36:27] 10,000, 10,000, 10,000 for the year.
Eddie: [00:36:30] Okay. That is bewildering to me.
Gagz: [00:36:33] Yeah. So this, so this dude signs up for the race
Eddie: [00:36:36] and I’m like break down two
Gagz: [00:36:38] per day. I don’t even know he’s
Eddie: [00:36:40] going to be more than a marathon a day.
Gagz: [00:36:41] He was doing, when his keys run, he was averaging 50, 55 miles a day.
Eddie: [00:36:46] That’s unbelievable,
Gagz: [00:36:47] man. Self-support it pushed, but what is, what is little stroller?
Eddie: [00:36:51] Good. God.
Gagz: [00:36:52] Yeah. So, so this monster signs up and I see it. I’m like, Oh my gosh. Wow. I [00:37:00] guess if I don’t get a podium spot and Pete wins it all right, fine.
That’s fine by me. So the a hundred K Mark comes around and, you know, Pete was struggling all day long. He was struggling and I saw him struggling. And, uh, at the time I was in fourth place, Pete was in third. All of a sudden I come out of the aid station. I keep on moving. Pete’s coming to me. He’s like coming towards me, he’s walking in.
I’m like, this is kind of weird. And we talked for a few minutes and he was like, well, you’re in, he’s like, you’re in third place now. I was like, Whoa, he calls Nick just said, I’m in third place. Like, this is a guy who I fucking idolize. Yeah. So I hit the sixties into the seventies and I was like a bat out of hell.
You sure had this. I had this just enormous surge of like energy and then seventies game and the seventies, I had actually sat down for a minute. I sat down by myself, on a bench in the middle of nowhere before the sun was going down and. I thought I was gonna have a heart attack for a second. Quite frankly.
I mean, I thought I was, I thought, I thought I was going to [00:38:00] die.
Eddie: [00:38:00] Are some, some runners out there with some very bad physiological issues going on on that race.
Gagz: [00:38:06] And there was a moment in the seventies where I had to really dig deep and I pulled myself together. So then when I saw you at mile 81, All right. This is where I’m like, I’m all I’m interested. Just, just get to Eddie
Eddie: [00:38:16] coming into the aid station, bark and commands. Get
Gagz: [00:38:21] I was too. I was like, just get, does it get to the girls. Get to Eddie. So I come through the aid station and the number two guy, this Russian dude. It was, it was his first a hundred miler.
It turns out, and man ignorance is bliss. This guy. Yeah. You know, I come through the aid station and I had heard that the number one guy was having some issues and number two guys was having issues. Well, I’m third. I come through, I see. Number two, when he’s getting his back, worked on. And I want it to be like, and I wanted him to know that I was feeling good.
So I was barking commands, like, all right, I’m going to come back around. I need A, B and C and boom. We’re out.
Eddie: [00:38:58] This was psychological [00:39:00] warfare going on on the course.
Gagz: [00:39:01] Yeah. And, uh, it fucking bit me in the ass because I think I pissed off the, I, I think I made the Russian angry, um,
Eddie: [00:39:10] well also that, but we were pretty jubilated to be reconvened on the court. Yeah. And then you and I get into like, basically. Party mode where we’re hanging out talking shit, right.
Gagz: [00:39:21] We’re running and we’re, and we’re running, but we’re not running hard. We’re just kind of like, cause I was, I figured this cause this guy was dead. He was dead in the water. When I came there,
Eddie: [00:39:30] we were watching before you got there, we were kind of observing him at the aid station, taking in idle time, not looking too well, not looking too.
Gagz: [00:39:39] So I lead at a station almonds I’m in second place and I’m figuring that guy’s dead. The guy behind me was two hours. He finished. I think the fourth place finished like hours behind me. So I had no one behind me. Yeah. And I’m like, we got this. So we were moving. We weren’t moving hard. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the angry Russian [00:40:00] appears and just blew bias, like a headline from behind like a bat out of hell
Eddie: [00:40:05] the hell.
Is this somebody on a bicycle
Gagz: [00:40:06] and never saw him again. And until the finish.
Eddie: [00:40:09] I remember you and I were like, I think we were probably laughing at some dead joke that we said. And then all of a sudden
Gagz: [00:40:15] shit got real,
Eddie: [00:40:17] very, very real as he cruised right by us. I don’t even think we like took time to say, Hey.
Gagz: [00:40:23] it was a brief exchang. I think if that, I think it was more me just. Trying to keep my composure, not lose my shit.
Eddie: [00:40:31] Really sobering. Yeah. We didn’t talk for about five minutes now.
Gagz: [00:40:35] And then it was just like, okay, it’s business, you know, let’s just keep her head down and just do what we gotta do. Hold on a third place. Hold on to that 17 to that sub 17. And then, you know what I did finish sub 17, I finished, uh, 1657 was, it was a finished time. We got there.
Eddie: [00:40:49] Overall in a very small window.
Gagz: [00:40:51] We did, we just made it and, and I’m proud of that too. Eddie. Yeah, 2020. I did long haul 100 down in January, finished, uh, [00:41:00] 18 hours and change. And right now it’s, I believe the 61st fastest time for the year for men, North America on a mile or times. And my pine Creek time is now the third or third fastest time in, uh, North America, males 20 for the year.
Eddie: [00:41:14] Yeah, that’s excellent manner.
Gagz: [00:41:16] And I believe my little Bluebird time is, uh, Yeah, I think it’s the top 30 slash 12 million or so I’ve had a hell of a year so
Eddie: [00:41:23] far, despite
Gagz: [00:41:25] yeah, I got through this much to Eddie, like, you know, could I finish pine Creek without you guys? Absolutely. Like no questions they ask, but could I have done as well as I did without you guys? Absolutely not. Period. End of discussion. So, I mean, look, I’m wearing a buckle now I’m wearing a buckle and this buckle is just as much mine as it is yours and the girls, you know?
Eddie: [00:41:50] Well, none of us are islands, man. You know, the better support you have, the better you’re going to perform. Thank you. That’s just the way, man. That’s the way it is. That was nuts, man. Remember, you’re seeing [00:42:00] rattlesnakes.
Gagz: [00:42:00] We did see rattlesnake on the course
Eddie: [00:42:02] eyes staring
Gagz: [00:42:03] back. And usually that was the thing. When the Russian passed us, when the angry Russian past us all of a sudden he makes this cause it’s a very straight line. Then all of a sudden he goes off me, 10 feet to the left. That’s right. Anyhow or something back, something in Russian. Yeah, whatever he said he was, he was angry. And we got up to whatever, wherever he made that weird turn and there’s a fucking rattlesnake to sit in the middle of the road.
And I never saw one up close before
Eddie: [00:42:33] fucking medicine. You’re looking man, in the middle of the night, it was, it looked, it looked well fed.
Gagz: [00:42:40] It was big and it was hungry probably.
Eddie: [00:42:42] You know, man, I am by default an urban runner and I feel like, you know, you could extract a lot of people from either
Gagz: [00:42:53] Eddie, go ahead.
Eddie: [00:42:55] either. Or, and they’re going to feel, it’s like, dude, you, you, you [00:43:00] copy and paste me into a place like that, where we’re running in the middle of the night on a trail in very remote wilderness, wilderness, dark, so dark that you could see eyes staring back at. You told me about that. And it happened as raccoons and deers.
God knows. Yeah,
Gagz: [00:43:15] God knows what else. And the first year I, I ran that I was with Keith Thomas celly and we were both talking and we didn’t know that rattlesnakes were in Pennsylvania.
Eddie: [00:43:23] Oh, yeah.
Gagz: [00:43:24] Well, we had no idea. And I even asked Keith he’s like dad, Pennsylvania. I was like, okay, whatever. So we’re running and he wears these, these Luna sandals and the frogs come out at night time on this particular stretch of road.
And he’s like squishing him, his toes, squishing frog as he’s running.
Eddie: [00:43:41] That is so not vegan, man.
Gagz: [00:43:42] No, not at all. And he’s talking about there’s no snakes. All of a sudden we see a sign. There’s a big sign saying, watch out for rattlesnakes. Oh yeah. Like I had no idea. Well, I’m very much an urban runner,
Eddie: [00:43:55] Danielle and I grew up in the Northeastern part of the state and we’re acutely aware of the [00:44:00] presence of rattlesnakes
Gagz: [00:44:01] Danielle Kocher from Plants on Fire?
Eddie: [00:44:03] Indeed it is,
Gagz: [00:44:04] I think now would be a good time to bring Danielle in. I brought into studio today, Danielle Kocher. kOCKER She is the owner, the founder of Plants on Fire plants on fire is simple plant-based nutrition for active people.
There’s no added sugar. There’s no fake shit. And each protein ball contains six grams of protein. Danielle, how are you? Welcome.
Danielle: [00:44:27] I’m great. I’m happy to be here.
Gagz: [00:44:29] Welcome to running times. I’m stoked to have you on the program. A couple months ago, maybe like over the summertime, I was hanging out with my, a nutritionist, shout out to Julian Foley and she’s like, Gags, you need to get more protein. You need to get more protein.
And I’m not the guy who’s going to go to the restaurant. You’re never going to see me like ordering a steak. I think bones and meat are disgusting. Like I do eat some meat, you know what I mean? But I am not a big and continue to, when you think about protein, Protein from meat.
And it’s just not my thing. Yeah. So I eat the [00:45:00] beans and whatnot, but she’s like, you need to up your protein because I do run a lot of miles and I’m sitting here in studio with the mile hound himself, Eddie, you know, and I need my, my protein. So I’m looking around and I’m like, and I found your site. I gave you a shot.
I love your product. Like, absolutely love it. Tell us about your product.
Danielle: [00:45:21] Thanks. Wow. I’m flattered. So I worked in the fitness industry for about four years up until recently. Um, I worked at a gym in Fishtown on Frankford ave and people may know it. I got into fitness through running. Obviously I’ve been running as long as I’ve been vegan, but.
Eight years, eight and a half about. When I first started running, I noticed how the food I put in my body affected how I felt. Yes. So the better quality, the food, the better I felt, I don’t think I have to explain that to anybody listening to the podcast.
Gagz: [00:45:58] Hopefully not, but there is, but there is a [00:46:00] direct correlation, you know? I mean, it’s. This is, this is our gas tank. So if you put shit in your gas tank, your car’s going to run shitty.
Danielle: [00:46:06] Exactly. So a few years after I started running, I got a stress fracture in my leg. I had to figure out a different form of activity. So I started working out at a gym. So six months after I started working out at a gym, I actually started working at gym for my job, because I wanted to be around like-minded people.
And I got into strength training as a way to recover from my stress fracture and hopefully get back to running one day. So I started being exposed to this whole world protein and bro gains and booty gains and this whole fitness culture. So a lot of the protein products on the market have a lot of fake stuff in them to get the macro nutrients to a certain ratio.
Those fake things don’t really agree with my body. I don’t think most of our bodies know what to do with those fake things. [00:47:00] And at the same time, I got my certification in plant-based nutrition through Cornell, and I wanted to make something that was made of real food, but also had a good amount of protein and more protein than fat, which is hard to find in vegan bars.
Gagz: [00:47:17] Agreed. My personal favorite is the snickerdoodle. And when you read the ingredients, it’s just, it’s simply dates, almonds, pea protein, filtered water from Philly because it’s water and it’s and cinnamon sea salt. That’s it. There’s nothing I can pronounce. There’s nothing crazy. And I think it’s great today because you know, you’re, you’re, you’re obviously you’re an entrepreneur, you’re a young woman here in Philadelphia, small business.
The holidays are upon us. I’m just, I’m so into what you’re doing socially environmentally conscious portion of your proceeds, go back into the community. I think it’s great. I think it’s great. What you’re doing.
Danielle: [00:47:53] Thanks.
Gagz: [00:47:54] Why did you start your plants on fire?
Danielle: [00:47:57] The fact that I couldn’t find [00:48:00] any protein product on the market that had no sugar added, no oil added and had a good amount of protein in it. When I was working at the gym, I just saw a lot of people who didn’t fit the stereotype of like the bicep bro, or like the booty gain queen. And. When it comes to marketing, I guess the protein category, there are a lot of people who aren’t being spoken to. So there are a lot of people who work out, not for the aesthetics, but just for the feeling and activity for so many of us, it’s like a lifeline.
Like it’s what makes us feel alive. So I wanted to kind of embody that with how the brain looks and how it feels and who it speaks to because it’s not just like a quest bar and it’s not supposed to be for the person who’s just working out for aesthetics. It’s for the kid who hated gym class, but gotten a physical [00:49:00] activity as an adult and listens to like Bikini Kill in the gym or circles, or while you’re out.
Gagz: [00:49:08] Right on, you know, I mean, one of the things that you say on your website is at, is activity makes us feel alive and it’s different for everybody. You know, it doesn’t have to be just for runners. It could be skating, it could be hiking, it could be lifting weights, could be yoga, it could be bowling, you know, it could be doing anything.
You know what I mean? It’s just, it makes sense. Simple makes sense. Like, I’m trying to, I’m vowing, I’m putting this out there now, man. I’m vowing in this new year to clean up my diet, make it a little bit tighter. I’m trying to eat things with no legs. I’m trying to eat things that don’t come in boxes, not as much of it.
And I do eat pretty clean, but I recognize that I can do better. I think this is a, this is a product that we can all get behind and it’s just good. And it tastes good. Which is kind of crazy, cause there’s not allowed. There’s no, there’s no shit in it. That’s it like, that’s your, that’s your tagline, Danielle, no shit [00:50:00] added?
Danielle: [00:50:00] Yeah. No fake shit. We don’t taste synthetic.
Gagz: [00:50:03] Balls are real.?
Yeah. How is your product grown? And more, more importantly, where can people find you? Not just online, but in real life?
Danielle: [00:50:14] Yeah. So we first started selling them at City Fitness actually year ago, today. Oh, wow. Which I just realized this morning.
Gagz: [00:50:21] Congratulations. No kidding. Really? Wow.
Danielle: [00:50:24] They started carrying them at the Fishtown location and now they’re also at the East market location and the Logan square location. Earlier this year the Marks the Shop took them on in South Philly, United by Blue as well, the old city location and the university city location. And then Herman’s just started carrying them in South Philly today.
Gagz: [00:50:49] Great. And where can folks find you online?
Danielle: [00:50:52] At PlantsOnFire.co or on instagram@plants.On.fire.
[00:51:00] Gagz: [00:51:00] So one of the reasons why I have Danielle in here today in studio is because we are doing a giveaway together. We’re going to give away two, not one, but two of the plants on fire variety pack.
Danielle, what will the lucky winner find in the variety pack?
Danielle: [00:51:15] Each variety pack includes one pouch of each flavor. So you get a pouches of snicker doodle, a pouch of cookie dough and a pouch of the AB and J or almond butter and jelly. But this is a double variety pack. So you get two pouches of each flavor.
Gagz: [00:51:33] You get two patches of Danielle’s balls, not one, but two. Sorry that just need that. We’re here for the ball. They’re totally going to be made. That’s the prize. This contest is open to contestants 18 or older with a valid Instagram account. Danielle will ship to anywhere in the continental US. And of course we have to say void where prohibited the contest will begin.
[00:52:00] When this episode airs, when you’re listening to this. And listening to this at midnight on Thursday, 12:10, the contest begins. The contest will end Sunday, 12:13, 5:00 PM. So how will a winner be picked Danielle, who is going to be our winner? How can people enter our contest?
Danielle: [00:52:20] So in order to enter, you have to follow both of our Instagram accounts. That’s mine @plants.On.fire and Gags account @BDG123. You have to comment on one of our posts. We’ll both be posting about it. You have to tag a friend so that they know about the giveaway too. So if you do that, you receive one entry.
Gagz: [00:52:47] However, Because it’s the holiday season. And we’re all about giving here in this season. If you are inclined to share to your stories and tag both plants on fire and BTG one, two, three, you will receive an extra [00:53:00] entry into the big holiday plant’s on fire giveaway. Eddie can’t even contain himself.
Eddie: [00:53:06] I’m freaking out, man.
Gagz: [00:53:10] We’re going to have everything on, on our posts. Danielle, are you a runner?
Danielle: [00:53:14] Of course.
Gagz: [00:53:15] Damn right you are a runner. What was your best race? And then I want to hear about your worst race. I wonder how about your worst race experience?
Danielle: [00:53:25] My best race. I would say the Philadelphia marathon last year, because it was my first marathon.
Gagz: [00:53:31] Welcome to club Danielle, we love the Philly marathon here. And your worst race experience?
Danielle: [00:53:37] My worst race experience was probably my first race, which was not in Philly. It was a 5k. And part of it was in the woods, but the course wasn’t marked and pretty much all of us ended up getting lost. So the race itself was pretty messy, but I had a good time because there were some dogs there too.
Gagz: [00:53:58] Then one more question for [00:54:00] you because I’m sure if you’re anything like me, you’re probably pulling your hair out. You’ve heard like Mariah Carey, all I want for Christmas, like a zillion times already. So I’ve been asking people, just a random people. I’m asking every, everyone I see. Which what’s your favorite holiday song?
Danielle: [00:54:14] Christmas Wrapping by the Waitresses. Ooh, interesting.
Gagz: [00:54:18] Okay, good. Right on. Right on folks at home, Plants On Fire makes a perfect holiday gift for any. Uh, you know what, I’m not even going to say athlete for anybody who’s interested in, uh, just like eating clean, simple as that. You don’t need to be as vegan to enjoy this product.
I had a Dinex sandwich, not one but two weeks ago. So yeah, man, um, you don’t need to be a no meat athlete like Danielle or Eddie. You could be a regular person like me. Who’s trying to increase their protein in a more healthy environmentally conscious manner. I love your product, Danielle. Thank you so, so much for coming in.
I hope the folks at home, give your product a shot [00:55:00] and just thanks a lot, man. Thank you so much.
Danielle: [00:55:02] Thanks for having me on it’s so good to be here. Happy holidays.
Eddie: [00:55:06] Considering that we’re approaching the Yuletide season and music is in the air.
I was in Wawa the other day. And, uh, I heard a couple of Christmas tracks and I’ve been wondering. What is your favorite Christmas song or your favorite holiday song?
Gagz: [00:55:24] Ah, well, um, in honor of Danielle just having been in the studio, I’m going to say jingle balls,
Eddie: [00:55:33] jingle ballS.
Gagz: [00:55:34] How is that a dad joke? Yeah,
that one hurt.
Eddie: [00:55:40] Oh boy.
Gagz: [00:55:41] Favorite holiday song. Eddie is a twofold one. I’m going to say, I want the folks at home to go on YouTube after you’re done listening to this podcast. Of course. And look for this song called Sleeves Christmas song. Okay, guys. Name is Sherman Sleeves it’s as Christmas song. Um, [00:56:00] the animation is by Coke Logic. It’s probably one of the most depressing, weird, excellent songs. I love it. My kids hate it. My wife hates it. My friends hate it. I play it as often as I can whenever I get a chance, I love the song. It’s
Eddie: [00:56:16] a great dad joke for you.
Gagz: [00:56:17] It is. It is. It is. It truly is. But my favorite holiday song. Of all time and it’s so apropos for this year is it’s gotta be Ding Dong Ding Dong by George Harrison.
Eddie: [00:56:29] Oh yeah.
Gagz: [00:56:30] Cause not only is it, I mean, it’s not really a Christmas song. I’d say it’s, it’s actually a new year’s Eve song. And what new year’s songs we have. We have old Lang Syne. And that’s it, as far as I know that’s about it. And now we have Ding-dong by George Harrison, 1974. And the words that his song it’s like, I think it was made, it was, it was released in 74 on his dark horse album.
That’s right. And seeing it refresh off the heels of Todd’s episode a to let, I would [00:57:00] encourage the folks at home to check out the history of George Harrison’s well, where this song came from. It was in his home called friar park, it state. And the property was once owned by a guy named sir Frank crisp, sir, Frank crisp.
Eddie: [00:57:17] That’s a hell of a handle dude.
Gagz: [00:57:19] He was an eccentric maniac and his time Harrison bought his house. And one of the things he, there was ease etchings and sculptures and carbon is all over the property. It’s this huge property. And one of the things he found was, um, This quote on there yesterday, today was tomorrow and tomorrow, today will be yesterday.
And that’s kinda like, that’s like one of my mantras when I run. And so in honor, of 2020 being a shitty year for many, many people. My favorite holiday song is Ding Dong, Ding Dong by George Harrison.
Eddie: [00:57:52] Well, Georgie was pretty accustomed to the mantra too, you know, Krishna man
Gagz: [00:57:57] video. There’s a video for this song. [00:58:00] Um, ha ha Ravi Shankar from saying his name, right? Uh, Ravi Shankar. Ravi Shankar. Yeah, he’s in this video and it’s like George Harrison dressing up in former Beatles clothes and it’s, it’s a really cool video. Great songs, an easy sing along song.
Eddie: [00:58:15] Uh, well, George, he’s my favorite Beatle. He’s a fellow Pisces. Yeah.
Gagz: [00:58:20] I thought you were an Aquarius.
Eddie: [00:58:22] No, no. Okay. March 14th, baby.
Gagz: [00:58:25] Oh, and he’s a Pisces. All right.
Eddie: [00:58:27] Fair enough. My favorite is also 14 March 4th PI day. Wow,
Gagz: [00:58:32] David for the eyes of March.
Eddie: [00:58:33] That’s right, right. You’re good. You’re quick.
Gagz: [00:58:37] I try, I try
Eddie: [00:58:38] My favorites. Twofold just like yours. All right. Let’s hear it now.
Right off, right off the bat surface father Christmas by the kinks, because it stands up as its own great track. It’s just a great pop song. This is basically like prodo punky kicks ass. Okay, cool. But the best Christmas song. That was ever made. [00:59:00] It’s the unlikely pairing of David Bowie and Bing Crosby singing, little drummer.
Danielle: [00:59:07] I had a feeling you were going to say, I had a feeling you were going to go with this dude.
Eddie: [00:59:13] I watched that video probably 10 times today because you know, we were shooting the shit a little bit about maybe what we might discuss in this broadcast on like, all right. I got it. Pay a little bit of attention here, do some homework.
So I’ve watched that video and it is the, it’s the height of ridiculousness, man. Cause it’s filmed in 77, you know, and they have this whole sort of like put on going outward. Bowie enters the mansion he looks at being and he’s like, Oh, what are you ma you get the, uh, the new Butler. Oh, it’s been a long time.
Right? They sit there probably half.
Danielle: [00:59:44] I was going to say they’re loaded.
Eddie: [00:59:46] Yeah. But this is 77 when Bowie was basically living in Berlin with Iggy pop, doing mountains of blow and drinking gallons of booze. Yeah. And he’s sitting there singing peace on it. I mean, the video is the [01:00:00] height of ridiculousness and then there’s also a great parody done by.
John C. Riley and a Will Ferrell, which is so fucking good, man. Oh dude. It’s, I’ve never heard of it before, but they like almost do it line for line and it is absolute perfection, man.
Danielle: [01:00:16] Man, I had a feeling you were going to say that David Bowie little drummer boy, I had a feeling it’s so funny. You mentioned that,
Eddie: [01:00:23] man.
I actually liked the song very much. It’s just loved the story behind it. How ridiculous it is. Maybe we could talk a little bit the Pine Creek weekend, man. Yeah. So while you are out there, uh, hustling on that race course, are
Gagz: [01:00:40] we going there? Yeah, we are going to mention this. All right. I personally, I wasn’t sure if we could mention this, because I’ll say this must be freestyle.
Here’s where you start telling your story in the world of Hollywood. It’s never good for actors to say what roles they’ve [01:01:00] turned down. All right. Because you don’t want to make the actors crew who took the role feel bad. So, yeah. I wasn’t sure if we could discuss this story on air and I Eddie. But if I think if we can, I would love to
Eddie: [01:01:13] had, well, the thing is I didn’t get the part
Gagz: [01:01:15] I put because you did you turn it down.
Eddie: [01:01:17] I didn’t turn it down.
Gagz: [01:01:19] You turn it down. So for those at home, We had a dinner Friday night where we’re in pine Creek, the four of us, we had a great dinner come back to the house or the church rather. Cause we were staying in a fucking
Eddie: [01:01:33] church in the rectory
Gagz: [01:01:34] Bay, right in the rectory. And I’m doing my neurotic, I’m just pacing. I’m taking things out. I’m putting them back. I’m taking the same thing out, putting it back like 20. I’m just being me. Right. All of a sudden Eddie comes in and he’s just like, You guys won’t believe this. Go ahead and take it from here. What
Eddie: [01:01:55] a weird weekend. And you know, so while we’re up there in, in, you know, [01:02:00] rural Pennsylvania, I haven’t left the city in probably a year at this point or since India.
Right? I really haven’t. So we’re up there, I’m watching you doing your thing. I’m like, and I’m getting nervous watching you. I’m like, all right, we’re, we’re going to war tomorrow, you know, and I know this guy has a mission, right? So I get this phone call. That goes straight to voicemail and I play the voicemail for you guys.
And it happens to be a director that’s working on a film that I was, I had loosely known from a commercial that I filmed a year ago. And for Facebook, for Facebook? Yeah, for Facebook, it’s got that part.
Yeah. Director. It’s like, I need you to fly to Galveston. After the weekend, you’re going to play the lead role for this movie.
Gagz: [01:02:52] It’s crazy.
Eddie: [01:02:52] And I played the voicemail for, for you and your wife and immune. And I’m like, what the hell is this guys? [01:03:00] You guys were like, well, you got to call them back. Let’s talk about this. Yeah. So I spent about a half hour on the phone,
Gagz: [01:03:07] the thing that he was like, it was so crazy to me because there’s people who, for example, like.
If I was an actor, right? Yeah. Okay. I would move to New York or LA. Right. And what do they do? They become a waitress or waiter or a bartender or whatever. So there’s some dude who’s probably learned to make table-side guacamole better than anybody else. You know, who’s dying for this break to happen. And here you are just, again, this is, this is, this is not a theme that’s throughout the entire season.
You’re just doing your thing, Eddie. You’re just doing your thing. And you get a phone call. Hey, Juan. Juan, come be a movie star. Yeah,
Eddie: [01:03:50] that’s yours. Our lead role or lead actor dropped out. Evidently the set, there was a very strict protocol with a [01:04:00] lot of COVID stuff going on. There was a lot of stress. I mean, everybody’s really stressed out 20, 20, the whole nine.
So I get this call and it’s like, all right, you gotta, you gotta meet us down in the Bayou. And we’re going to start filming this, this movie that was unbeknownst to me. The topic was going to be, so I get on the phone and we’re speaking with the director. I don’t want to give away anything. Right. But it turned out that it would be playing the role of a suitcase pimp.
Gagz: [01:04:27] Hey Mikey, Mikey, the suitcase pimp. What’s a suitcase pimp Betty. Cause I had no idea what a suitcase pimp was. We have a lot of jokes about suitcase pimp.
Eddie: [01:04:35] Yeah. The suitcase pimp is basically the guy who’s watching over the cat house for women who moved to Los Angeles to work in the adult film industry. So basically had this existential crisis sitting there and Wellsboro Pennsylvania, while you guys were hanging out, getting ready for this race. Like, all right.
[01:05:00] Gagz: [01:04:59] Yeah, go ahead.
Eddie: [01:05:01] Do I take a role like this and sort of like. I don’t know. Hey mom and dad, I’m in this movie and here I
Gagz: [01:05:08] am. I couldn’t even tell your parents that you’re going to do this role. That was the best part of it all.
Eddie: [01:05:13] Yeah. So that was, that was basically on my mind the entire day I filmed an audition while you were running probably the first, like 30 miles of that race. I’m up in the rectory with my iPhone. Directed towards me. And
Gagz: [01:05:26] you took every note card that we had. Every, every piece of paper was gone in the house because you were making notes on it. That’s right. Making your script. the suitcase pimp.
Eddie: [01:05:34] I didn’t get the role.
Gagz: [01:05:35] You turned it down. Eddie, turn the roll down.
Eddie: [01:05:39] I think that they were looking more for methamphetamine instead of stoner.
Gagz: [01:05:45] Yeah. Mayb you looked like a tweaker.
Eddie: [01:05:48] No, I’m not a tweaker man. No, I’m just, this is not my disposition. And
Gagz: [01:05:52] who has the role now joined up? That’s right. Yeah. Brad, Brad Pitt.
Eddie: [01:05:56] I think it was Brad Depp.
Gagz: [01:05:57] Danielle. Who’s a handsome actor, Danielle. [01:06:00] All right. What’s that guy,
Eddie: [01:06:01] Chad, something, all the lit the ladies like him chat him.
Yeah. Joseph Gordon Levitt. He’s a handsome lad. It’s
Gagz: [01:06:09] got three names. He has said he has to be handsome. Jason Gordon Lebanon. All right. All right. Yeah. Joseph, whatever. Okay. He, ain’t a suitcase pimp.
Eddie: [01:06:19] No. Hell no.
Gagz: [01:06:21] You re I, so I’m doing my thing. And I’m thinking about you while I’m running. Like, man, is this dude going to be around for the final episode?
Cause. Cause if you took that role, could you turn it down? If you took that role, Eddie, if you took the role, you wouldn’t be here today, you would be in Texas or maybe, maybe in Hollywood, like wrapping up, doing whatever they do.
Eddie: [01:06:42] Now, photography just ended this week. So I live in down there and then we would have been in LA,
Gagz: [01:06:48] but they don’t have treadmill down there in Texas running around on a treadmill on that.
Eddie: [01:06:52] It just wasn’t meant to be, man.
Gagz: [01:06:53] It wasn’t. No, it wasn’t part of my karma. It’s crazy. Your life is crazy. Eddie.
Eddie: [01:06:58] Yeah. Yeah. [01:07:00] It’s pretty nice, man. You know, over the series, I’ve noticed that you’re frequently asked a lot of guests.
Gagz: [01:07:05] Um, tell me about
Eddie: [01:07:07] what, whether they’re not like formally where they’re formally trained, you know, it’s like, there’s a, a couple of like, you know, Pat, Pat questions that sort of like surface.
Um, and I think that you’re trying to like establish, you know, like a thread that sort of like. Maybe weaves through all the guests, particularly Philly guests that you have. Do you think that like coming from a traditional athletic background? Benefits you in any sense, do you think that maybe coming into the running scene later on in life is more of a boon than it is a, uh, a detractor?
Gagz: [01:07:44] Yes. Um, we, you know, we heard Gene Dykes talk about this on the podcast.
Eddie: [01:07:49] It’s probably my favorite. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. I mean, he’s just a, he’s a monster. The next level, man. Yeah. I mean, he’s literally, like, I think he calls himself a freak of nature.
Gagz: [01:07:59] He does no [01:08:00] wall. I, I called him yeah a freak nature. And he was like, I didn’t come here to be called a freak. I was like, gene, you are a
Eddie: [01:08:04] freak.
Cause it’s VO two max is like the super human level. Right. There’s only probably a handful of people on the planet that are actually at that level. Well,
Gagz: [01:08:12] it’s a very small hand. Yeah, yeah. And genes on it. So gene talks about that, you know, Gene, um, what I was going to say, I love
Eddie: [01:08:19] what we’re talking about, you know just coming from a traditional background, you know, like
Gagz: [01:08:25] if you want to be, if you want to be a good runner later in life, you know, don’t run hard when you’re, when you’re younger. So, you know, growing up, I was never a runner growing up. I was, nah, I played sports growing up and stuff, but then once high school hit, you know, I’m in, I’m in the woods, like I’m, I’m dumbed down the Creek.
Um, hitting the barrels, I’m smoking cigarettes, I’m dumb. I’m chasing girls. Like I’m not thinking about running around like no way. Right. Um, and a lot of my life was spent not thinking about running or, or being healthy. So to approach this later on in life, I [01:09:00] think it kind of helps me.
Eddie: [01:09:02] Yeah, I would think so too.
I mean, I find it like. It’s a lot more poignant when you get into it a little bit later, I talked to like a couple of friends of mine. Who’ve run in college that, you know, just started to kind of relearn their, their love and, and Reforge their relationship with running. But you know, when you get into it a little bit later, I think that there’s a level of poignancy that, that exists there.
That’s different from people that were like, basically. Like whipped into, into doing
Gagz: [01:09:30] right. And the reasons why I’m running now are not because a coach is telling me to run because of it because I’m on scholarship. No, it’s because I want to be a better man, a better man for myself and for my family hundred percent and for my community.
Eddie: [01:09:44] Yeah.
Gagz: [01:09:46] Yeah. So Eddie, you are a listener of the podcast, correct? Yeah. All right. What episodes were your favorite? Do you have a favorite episode? Like you mentioned gene dykes as your [01:10:00] favorite
Eddie: [01:10:00] Loved Gene Dykes. Yeah. I also really liked listening to the history of the Fishtown brew, Fishtown beer runners,
Gagz: [01:10:08] David April.
Eddie: [01:10:09] Yeah. You know, it’s crazy because when I took a couple of years off of living in the city, I was living just outside of New York for like. Two years.
Gagz: [01:10:18] Okay.
Eddie: [01:10:19] And when I came back to Philadelphia, I moved into an apartment that was attached to the Druids, keep on second and Brown. And I used to look down spring nights and I’d see all these runners hanging out, getting student and talking to him like, what in the fuck is this all about?
I mean, I hadn’t run a little bit here and there, but you know, the concept of like, Running and drinking and just like the, the social aspects of running and doing it for any other reason, other than just self-flagellation and trying to get yourself into shape was very foreign to me.
So listening to the formation of the fish town, very inspiring,
Gagz: [01:10:57] was it?
Eddie: [01:10:57] Yeah, it was incredible. Well, man,
Gagz: [01:10:58] and you know, to, to [01:11:00] hear him talk about just putting on his shoes and it’s like, all these years later, he’s responsible for how many people, I mean, how many people have been affected by Dave’s positivity? Seriously.
Eddie: [01:11:12] It’s really unbelievable,
Gagz: [01:11:13] man. And like that’s net network that those people, I mean, he’s, there’s a reason why, he’s why in my mind, he is the OG in this city in terms of like running clubs.
No doubt, no doubt about it. You know, it was great to, to, uh, to, uh, talk to, you know, and, and I’ll tell you something funny. When I recorded my episode with David, that intro, I did the intro and we had an issue with the technical issue. So I had to redo that intro with David. And I’m talking about how David says to me, He’s like, Oh, well, why’d you call me on the pocket?
I’m I’m, I’m not a good runner, you know? And I’m like, well, David, I don’t care about your times, you know? And I kinda, I kinda make a joke and it just, he cracked [01:12:00] up laughing the first time. Right. Yeah. And it was great. And then the second time we had the issues and, and then I, and then I, you know, I like read the intro again.
And it just, it was flat. Like he just looked at me like, he didn’t say nothing. I’m like, I just made fun of this guy and he didn’t get to, like, it’s going to sound horrible and you know, totally freaked me out for a second there. And I should’ve said to David, Hey, listen, when I say my joke again, just to give me a fake chuckle, you know, like, like work, like, like work with me here.
But that line, it just read so flat. I was like, Oh my God, people are going to stay park on. I think I just tried to make fun of this guy and all I was not even doing that. I was not intentional whatsoever.
Eddie: [01:12:39] Well, you know what I really loved about just listening through the wide variety of kind of runners that you have on a podcast, you know, is that like, Running it’s a lot like, like playing music, you know, I always think of it kind of contextualize these things in, in my own terms.
And just like, you know, I think that that’s like, it’s [01:13:00] these people come from like a wide variety of different backgrounds. Definitely. NAMEC. Yeah, different, you know, just a lot of different walks of life. And it really isn’t about the metrics behind, like specifically what you’re doing. It’s not really about race times.
It’s it’s about heart and soul
Gagz: [01:13:17] and that what makes us tick
Eddie: [01:13:19] that’s right, man, because, you know, I think about there’s like a, like running is, is largely metaphorical about the lives that we live. Isn’t it?
Gagz: [01:13:27] It is. And I say it all the time to put a point where my kids can’t stand it, but it really is a metaphor for life.
Like, um, um, I was talking earlier about the highs and lows. You’re going to have those in life to Eddie, and I think you had a low point if I’m not mistaken. Sure. Okay. Yeah. And you’ve had some high points since then, but you haven’t hit your highest point yet that I can guarantee. So for as low as you were back in June of 2019, you’re, you’re going to be as high one day.
Eddie: [01:13:59] Do you ever have a [01:14:00] level of concern give or address. The potentiality or the reality of maybe hitting your peak. Yeah. Knowing like, all right. Like, because when you’re at your top in terms of physical conditioning and you’re racing, right. You don’t know, you don’t know until you start slowing down. And you might that’s, that might be a difficult thing to reconcile with.
I think that you and I both have experienced a series of PRS and victories and things that have gone very well. And according to plan in terms of like what you want out of racing, because let’s face it, we sign up for races and it’s good to be around other runners. It’s good to be there on the course.
It’s good community,
Gagz: [01:14:39] comradey.
Eddie: [01:14:40] All that stuff, and that will never go away. However, I feel like. When you’ve been experiencing a lot of victories, like you have this year, you know, we were talking a lot about the accolades, you know, at some point maybe you’re not going to be placing overall, but you start placing strictly an age group, or maybe you don’t even get to that point.
Gagz: [01:15:00] there’s people that have turned 40 this past year and I’m pissed off. Right are now masters and they’re in my age group, you know, fortunately I just turned 45 last that last Thursday. So I’m now in, like I say, a new age group, if you want to call it that like 45 to 49 maybe, but I’m still, I’m still in my forties and I’m in the master’s division.
Um, so yeah, I do worry about that, but yeah, it was crazy. Like you mention about slowing down or I’ll tell you something crazy. Eddie. Like last year I finished the Tahoe 200 and when I came home from that. There was a, quite a buzz around me for a minute and it felt great, you know, and, and I was like, it was cool.
I worked so hard for that. And I was just so proud and, you know, and I mentioned about chasing the dragon and it’s like, well, what’s next? You know what? And I came to a point in March where, because I had flirted with the idea of going out to a Moab to, to, to, to do the Moab two 40 for this year. And had I done that I would have been.
[01:16:00] I, that would be the only thing I could have done financially the entire year, because the cost of that race and getting out there and everything else would just be so expensive and I couldn’t do it back to back. So. I decided to go with, let’s sit up and down. Like, you know, let’s do all the a hundred milers on the, on the East coast.
Right. And I was sad because it was like, I’m never going to, like, I really thought I, I peeked Eddie. If, if, if I’m keeping it real, like I peaked, I told my wife, I told Amy as a matter of fact for my friends, I was like, I think this is it. Like, that’s the best I’m ever
Eddie: [01:16:32] going to write.
Gagz: [01:16:33] Right. And I didn’t know, just keep your head down, keep doing your thing, you know, if you would mentioned about the, the four corners,
Eddie: [01:16:41] right, right.
Gagz: [01:16:42] Cause that best of Philly 20, 20, or no, I wasn’t planning for any of this stuff, having a podcast. Come on, heady you, I mean, come on. So you just gotta keep your head down, you know, you can keep doing your thing. And so maybe I will get slower over time. [01:17:00] I don’t know. It’s possible. I mean, sure. I will, you know?
Yeah. But. I don’t think I’m not in this for speed. You know, I’m really trying to be a better person. And what I found in this whole experience, especially in this past year, man, it’s like, you know, by doing my thing, I can help other people, you know, that’s a really good feeling. Yeah. It really is. So I don’t, I don’t think I’m almost to down.
I just kind of know I’m not going to slow down and if I do slow down, which, ah,
Eddie: [01:17:29] whatever. Yeah, I think that’s, you know, that, that ties into what we were talking about before, in terms of, you know, a lot of runners that got into this stuff later on in life. Tend to have these sort of outlooks on it, you know, because you’re not like instantly pegged.
And I mean, a lot, like most runners that I know that are into marathoning and the thirties and forties and fifties are the kind of, yeah, my first marathon was like a four or five hour race. Right. They’re constantly improving. It’s like the next marathon, they chipped a half hour off of it [01:18:00] or then an hour or whatever.
So they’re, you know, they see these vast improvements and, you know, lends itself really well to sort of like. Approaching it with a level of humility. It was like a lot of like my friends that were competing in college and in high school, it’s like, they, they were just like, the idea of competition was driven so deeply ingrained so deeply into the sport that it burned them out.
I do wonder sometimes man, it’s like, when those. Racist com where you’re experiencing diminished returns. How do you reconcile what that, you know,
Gagz: [01:18:33] I have to be smart with how I spend all my, my races too. Like I, I worried about that this past year, if the world didn’t shut down, you know, I was looking at a couple of serious, a hundred milers back to back in a very short period of time where I didn’t know if I was gonna be able to pull it out or not.
You know? So. That’s okay.
Eddie: [01:18:51] Yeah. I took some chances last year with that, you know, it’s like I did 10, 10 marathons in about six months, you know, and I was doing stuff where, you know, I finished [01:19:00] the Southern most marathon one weekend in key West, and I did really well at that race and then flew up specifically from key West to Atlantic city and competed the next weekend.
And I mean, Do a lot of your guests that you’ve had on here, that’s a small Hill of beans, but you know,
Gagz: [01:19:17] but do understand
Eddie: [01:19:18] back to back weekend, weekend marathons, where you’re actually, there’s trying to compete and you’re trying to, to PR that’s, you know, grinds hard on you, man,
Gagz: [01:19:27] a woman that I really would love to bring her in one day. Her name’s Yoshiko Jo, she’s a mom.
Eddie: [01:19:35] Yeah. You’ve mentioned her. We
Gagz: [01:19:36] met her. We met her at pine Creek. Yes. And also Keith straw was at pine Creek too, but she go, Jo, she has qualified for Boston 98 times now, consecutively.
Eddie: [01:19:49] That’s just unbelievable.
Gagz: [01:19:50] Right? Every, every, every marathon that she’s run has been a Boston qualifying time.
And she’s at 98. [01:20:00] That’s in addition to her bad water finishes and her on her mile of finishes and. She’s amazing. And she runs marathons on weekends for, just for the
Eddie: [01:20:09] fun of it.
Gagz: [01:20:11] She ain’t slowing down Eddie, you know,
Eddie: [01:20:13] isn’t she
Gagz: [01:20:16] like a Princeton
Eddie: [01:20:17] professor,
Gagz: [01:20:17] uh, Swarthmore. Swarthmore. Yeah. Key things slowing down, gene ain’t slowing down.
Eddie: [01:20:22] Yeah. Yeah.
Gagz: [01:20:23] Now Keith, Keith is the episode for me. Keith is the one where I think about his words frequently. Um, No
Eddie: [01:20:32] every two with that swab accent.
Gagz: [01:20:35] It’s
Eddie: [01:20:35] so good.
Gagz: [01:20:37] It’s like listening to my car, talk to me totally all day long, you know? But like, I mean, every episode and yours, yours included, like every episode is like one of my kids, you know, I love you as all, but for very different reasons, you know, and every episode is different.
Like. We’ve had a ten-year-old on and we’ve had, Jean was 72. Yeah. And everybody in between. But for [01:21:00] me, the one that, I mean, Todd was so good to God. I mean, Todd, in his history.
Eddie: [01:21:06] Yeah.
Gagz: [01:21:09] All right. If I have to go, so gun gun to my head, I’m going to say Todd and Keith, um, Todd just approaches history and the running.
And Keith, Keith is an ultra runner. Um, he’s such a bad ass. His words, when he said to me about race directors and about them giving him the chance to feel like a winner
Eddie: [01:21:30] with me quite well. He he’s paid a lot of a module to raise directors, the crew. And I remember I was running out in the middle of fucking nowhere, like 61st and Passyunk listening to his episode and.
Just hearing him repeating over and over and over again. I mean, he knew the names of every race director for basically every race he’s ever run. Just like shout outs to crew all the time.
Gagz: [01:21:56] He said that they gave him the chance to make him feel like a [01:22:00] winner for the first time in his life. It’s like, it just, he might as well smack me across the face.
When you said that. I think about all the time. Yeah. And of course his, his worst man episode jump and find your wings on the way down. Those were his words. That was, that was his mantra. And in terms of his podcast series, like when I think about this podcast, Eddie, like, I don’t know the fuck I was doing on our first episode, our first episode together sitting across the way we are now.
It was so uncomfortable to me, like right now talking now it’s like, it’s, it’s like, it’s like, we’re chilling. We’re running. Yeah. This energy was not, is not the same when I at least sure, man. I mean, it was so hard when I sat down and I, and I interviewed you. I mean, I couldn’t even look at you. Because I, it was just, it felt awkward.
It felt embarrassing. And I realized midway through the interview, if I look at you from the side, like if I look looked not at you, but from my side, I, it was almost like [01:23:00] we’re running together. And then the conversation felt
Eddie: [01:23:01] normal. Right, right.
Gagz: [01:23:03] But, um, it was so awkward like that, even when I first had that, that first rough draft came to me, like, like that night, right?
Yeah. And I remember I was driving home and I was like, wow, like, cause you, cause you’re such a professional lady, like you are a gentleman, a professional, you’d be given interviews your whole life. It feels like, and you threw me so many softballs and that inner in that conversation where I could have taken it and ran and had another conversation.
And I’m just like standing here, like, like a deer in headlights. I had nothing. I had no, no comeback for a lot of what you’re saying. And so I’m driving home and I’m like, wow. It was my first time. Yeah. Could it could, it could have been better or whatever. And then I get the draft, the rough draft of the audio, and I listened to it with my wife.
And I mean, it was Roth. It was exactly, it was like, there was no edits whatsoever and I almost lost my shit. Um, yeah, even
Eddie: [01:23:58] my wife’s not going to catch, you need to do [01:24:00] this. I’m putting myself out there. This is not,
Gagz: [01:24:03] my wife is Amanda. She said, she said to me, Eddie she’s. I swear to God Eddie. She’s like. Well, babe, it’s your first time, you know, like best she could say.
And I was
Eddie: [01:24:12] like, Oh my
Gagz: [01:24:14] God, it was so bad. And like, I was so worried because like we’ve been taught for the following day I was considering. And I know like I was, I would never ask you to come in here and repeat that story again. But I was like, what the fuck we’re going to do? Like, how am I going to do this?
Like, I ha I can’t put this out there, like that. I was petrified and took about 36 hours for me to come off my high horse, you know, and realize like, yo man, I didn’t have the words for it then, but jump in, find your wings on the way down
Eddie: [01:24:44] and right,
Gagz: [01:24:44] Right cause it at like, I mean, I get messages from people frequently, like on a frequent basis. I mean people have when people write to me. Yeah. I always make a point to write back when they move, when they started talking about how I’ve [01:25:00] inspired them to make a change or to get out there and start running or to take on a new distance. Man. I, I just feel, it fills me up with like such pride, you know?
And that’s such a, it’s a good it’s, that’s a really good feeling. Yeah. I’m 45 years old now. And I did a lot of, I, I, I had some fun back in my time, but now I’m, I’m getting older, you know, and it just feels good to be able to give back by just doing my thing, you know? Um, I suppose, yeah. Thank you to the people out there, you know, for sticking by me through this podcast experience.
Um, just thank you very much. I’m trying my best. I’m hoping to bring quality people to you guys every two weeks. And thank you.
Eddie: [01:25:41] You’ve assembled a hell of a cast, man.
Gagz: [01:25:43] It’s been a lot of fun. Yeah. It’s been a lot of fun. I’ve learned a lot. It’s been challenging. Like, dude, I’m telling you like that. Eddie. I don’t think you understand that.
How distraught. I was like, I was almost inconsolable for 24
Eddie: [01:25:56] hours. I know you did great. I thought it was no conversation.
[01:26:00] Gagz: [01:26:00] You said to me too. And I’m like, Eddie is just being nice. You know, he’s such a nice guy. He’s just being nice.
Eddie: [01:26:06] I’m nice. But I’m also very honest,
Gagz: [01:26:08] but you know, but then. I had to trust the process the same.
And like when you train it for a race,
Eddie: [01:26:13] I was just going to say, there’s so many parallel processes, so many parallels to run. I mean,
Gagz: [01:26:17] so many folks behind the scenes here, like Mike, our glorious engineer, Ashley, who’s going to be cutting this later on, Dylan and Devon people don’t even know per personally, but we work together side-by-side making this thing happen, you know? So it’s been a, it’s been a great experience for season two season, season two, it’s going to be bigger and better than season one. And folks at home. If, you know, somebody who you think would be a good guest shooting my way, like for example, we met Nate and Scott Viands.
I didn’t know these guys. I mean, I knew of their story, but I, I never thought to bring them to bring them in. We had a mutual friend who actually, you know, also Tom Lesnar.
Eddie: [01:26:57] Oh, yeah. Tom was
Gagz: [01:26:59] Tom. Roman was [01:27:00] like, was, was, was like, yo dude, you gotta get them on a podcast. Like, you know what dammit you’re right.
And Kaitlin Hopkins, not another one we had, we had mutual friends and my buddy was like, he’ll get her on. And I was like, you know what? You’re right. So if you guys have somebody out there, you think would be a good guest. Let me know. I’ll do my homework. I have no problems.
Eddie: [01:27:17] One observation I’ve made just like listening to these episodes, man, is that there is such.
Amazing characters involved in the Philadelphia running community.
Gagz: [01:27:28] Big time
Eddie: [01:27:29] and this podcast, I mean, it’s actually, it’s very long overdue that the Philadelphia scene has had some sort of United spotlight shown on it. You know what I mean? Because do there some serious serious characters. I mean, I remember when we first started talking about like, you know, You’re doing this podcast and you’re like, well, God, you got to hear about this guy, gene dykes and this, and you started listing off these people.
And a lot of these accolades that they had, I’m like, yeah,
Gagz: [01:27:55] shady there’s. And there’s people that I’ve tried to go on the podcast for the season, but for various [01:28:00] reasons, I couldn’t, you know, we have, we have, uh, we have a pandemic going on. Of course people have lives and some people aren’t quite ready yet, but there’s people
Eddie: [01:28:09] I’m in Pennsylvania.
Gagz: [01:28:10] It’s, there’s a lot of amounts. There’s a lot
Eddie: [01:28:12] in the region, man. That’s a lot.
Gagz: [01:28:14] Yeah.
Eddie: [01:28:14] I’d like to see Chris McDougall on here, man.
Gagz: [01:28:17] I thought about him and with David, with the connection from, with David April, I’ve definitely thought about bringing him on. Yeah. Um,
Eddie: [01:28:23] yeah. You get the donkey in the studio too.
Gagz: [01:28:25] What is that? What is Burrow races? I would, I would I have thought about it bringing him on? Yeah, it definitely has
Eddie: [01:28:31] a great guest.
Gagz: [01:28:32] I yeah, you’re right about that. Yeah. You are right
Eddie: [01:28:34] about that. Yeah. So has there been any, like, uh, what kind of feedback have you gotten from your, from your interviewers? The people that you’ve interviewed.
Gagz: [01:28:43] It’s funny. I I’ve gotten the ones, the thing I’ve been really proud of this whole season. Um, if you listen to the episodes, although sometimes I’ll get it edited out, but every guest has commented on yo, you’ve really done your homework on me. Like thank you. And that makes me feel [01:29:00] like. So good. Cause I’m such a neurotic mess.
Eddie: [01:29:03] You’re you’re the neurotic shuffer man,
Gagz: [01:29:05] and you are the cosmic shuffler, you know, but you know, so I’ve, that makes me feel good. And. Like my whole
Eddie: [01:29:14] house. You’re sitting here with the papers spread out in front of you and a disassembled pen. It’s like, you’ve obviously got like a tremendous amount of homework.
They probably spend 20 hours per episode working on, on your notes.
Gagz: [01:29:25] It’s just like packing for a race. Like, like you saw me before pine Creek and before pine Creek, I had things laid out ahead. Checklists. I had the whole hallway was taken up and it was just, and that’s how I, that’s kinda how I operate, you know?
So that made me feel good.
Eddie: [01:29:39] Yeah, man. Totally. This is a new skill set and you’re honing it in.
Gagz: [01:29:44] Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. So, I mean, when I think about my favorite guests, you know, I mean, every episode, like I said before, everyone has its own character, you know, JJ, the Roomba rule. I think about that all, all the time,
Eddie: [01:29:59] too, that [01:30:00] resonated with me too,
Gagz: [01:30:01] about the Fishtown beer runners and just lace up your shoes.
Key straw is key straw. You know, like Kailynn Hopkins, the courage it took for her to go out there and run that FKT by herself. Totally self-supported. Like it might not have been the fastest time ever, but God damn it. If it wasn’t the ballsiest sure. Gutsiest performance, like I think about these things, you know, the way Nate overcame his hardships, Nate’s this kid he’s beaten cancer and he’s breaking world records.
I had at the same time and easily, and he’s only 10, you know, but it’s like every episode has its own little thing, but for me, it’s Keith and it’s Todd and. You heard me talk about on the episode with Todd about how he prepares for his races and the history of proceeds races, but he also does the warriors 50 K and you, Eddie, you have run the warriors 50 K, correct.
Twice, twice now. [01:31:00] And you’re part of the warriors elite team. Um, so I’m going to run this race next year and I want the whole world to run this race next year. I thought it’d be kinda cool. You could say a couple of words about like your experience with the warriors, 50 K
Eddie: [01:31:14] a hundred percent, man. Um, Without a doubt.
It’s my favorite race. You know, it’s a bad-ass so it’s unsanctioned. But I remember thinking what was really cool about that. When I, before I knew Todd, I only saw something on Instagram that got like screenshotted and forwarded me, is that underground New York city running events like God, man, this sounds fucking cool.
Gagz: [01:31:38] up your alley?
Eddie: [01:31:38] So up my alley. So. I grew up loving that movie, the warriors, you know, I love seventies cinema, especially the underground, greedy, weird stuff, you know? So that’s like just a movie that my brothers and I just freaking love. Do you know the soundtrack act two, it Oxford
Gagz: [01:31:52] Joe Walsh in the city get in my head ever since I, yeah. Like preparing for Todd, like [01:32:00] that is that whole soundtrack, which has been on, you know, been on a loop.
Eddie: [01:32:03] So good. So, you know, that raised man, it starts, you know, it’s night running. Which
Gagz: [01:32:09] you start in Vancouver,
Eddie: [01:32:10] Vancouver, Portland park, which is way up in the North Bronx. So, you know, you get to the city in both times, I did it.
We took the train the whole way up until it basically ends in, in the North Bronx. So you get out, he’s got people greeting you there at the van Cortland, stop off. I can’t remember what line it is, but you start seeing these runners that are all sort of dressed up according to the movie
Gagz: [01:32:34] where you dressed up as, as a character for your run or no.
Eddie: [01:32:37] No. I mean, I, I painted my face a little bit and stuff just to, you know, be a little celebratory, but I didn’t go,
Gagz: [01:32:45] you weren’t like a moon runner.
Eddie: [01:32:47] I was not a baseball theory,
Gagz: [01:32:50] Bret Gramercy riff none of them? An orphan?
Eddie: [01:32:54] you know, man. Getting taken into this park, which is a fairly large park and it’s the middle of [01:33:00] thenight and Todd, his wife and his teenage kid get this like mobile PA system. That plan you got Cyrus.
Gagz: [01:33:11] Oh,
Eddie: [01:33:12] doing the intro as soon as Cyrus gets shot and you hear the, yeah, yeah. That’s when it’s time to go. So you run through the field and the first time we ran it, that the inaugural event was absolutely bonkers because there was about a six foot layer of fog draped over a van Cortlandt works.
So you’re running through North Bronx and. That raises next level, man. Cause you are heading South about between 28 and 31 miles.
Gagz: [01:33:38] Is there an actual route or do you find it on your own?
Eddie: [01:33:42] It is a choose your own adventure.
Gagz: [01:33:45] So you need to map this out before, before you go up there
Eddie: [01:33:47] then. Yeah. You should at
Gagz: [01:33:50] least have some kind of idea.
Eddie: [01:33:51] Yeah. I mean, there’s a lot of locals that are running it, so you could usually pair up with somebody. That’s what I did both times. Somebody that just kind of knew, knew what we were doing, but [01:34:00] yeah, man, it’s like, you are, you’re cruising South through. The Bronx you get down to like, you know, it’s two in the morning and you’re in Spanish, Harlem, and then you’re running South and then you hit the, you you’re in Manhattan.
You’re like run through times square at like 3:00 AM. You’re over the Brooklyn bridge at four. And by the time you get yourself into Flatbush, you got one. I think it’s ocean Avenue. And you’re cruising on that for another like eight or nine miles, man. Well, the sun’s starting to come up and the goal, at least for me, is to get to the beach at Coney Island for the sun’s up.
So you’re getting there right at that. Just sort of like that, that beautiful.
Gagz: [01:34:34] And I’m just jealous that you are a part of the warriors elite team the next year. Well, maybe, but, so you’re going to have a head start. That’s
Eddie: [01:34:43] right.
Gagz: [01:34:44] And you, Oh, also you got your, your own vest.
Eddie: [01:34:47] Got the warriors
Gagz: [01:34:48] because you place top three, you get, you get a Warrior’s vest
Eddie: [01:34:51] custom made.
Gagz: [01:34:52] Right. And you’ll start ahead of everybody else and then going to chase. Yeah,
Eddie: [01:34:55] yeah, yeah. You’ll be able to catch me.
Gagz: [01:34:59] I’m training for this one. [01:35:00] Keep that in mind.
Eddie: [01:35:03] Best dude. It’s cool. It’s it’s seriously the best race I’ve ever done, man. It sounds so cool. Yeah. It’s amazing because you know, it’s like, if you’re, if you’re a fan of the movie or just a fan, I love New York city, you know?
Yeah. Not poo-pooing on Philly ever. And I know it’s taboo to say that you have like a new another city, but I really love New York, you know, and that is a quintessential New York run. I mean, It’s similar to like the Rocky 50 K you know, where it’s like the Rocky
Gagz: [01:35:27] same vibe,
Eddie: [01:35:28] same vibe. It’s like, you’re running Rocky 50 K and you’re actually seeing Philly.
It’s not like the Philly marathon Philly marathon. And we’ve talked about this before. The route is good, but the out and back demand young, it gets a little fatigued. The Rocky 50 K it’s like you’re really seeing the city. New York city marathon probably is pretty decent. Never run it, but like, Yeah, the warriors are on then you’re literally, I mean, you’re, you’re getting through the grit.
Gagz: [01:35:54] I’ve been to Coney Island before either. So it’s going to be
Eddie: [01:35:58] right into the ocean as soon as you’re done. I can’t [01:36:00] wait. It’s amazing. Yeah.
Gagz: [01:36:01] Yeah. You’d walk into the sense of like a Swan and Sam and Rembrandt and all
Eddie: [01:36:08] the other characters.
Gagz: [01:36:09] I love that movie.
Eddie: [01:36:10] Do they need somebody in like a. Old Cadillac or a hearse
Gagz: [01:36:20] and wants to wrap it up now.
Eddie: [01:36:21] Yeah. Anything else you want to add Gagz?
Gagz: [01:36:24] Well, the first thing I do want to say is this show has been brought to you by Plants on Fire. My personal favorite source of protein, Plants on Fire, is simple. Plant-based nutrition for active people. Eddie there’s no sugar, no added sugars, no fake shit.
Remember what we had after our run on Sunday with Todd? I sure do. Yeah. That’s Plants on Fire. You gotta be kidding me. Love it. It’s been my shit since the middle of June.
Eddie: [01:36:48] Positively delicious.
Gagz: [01:36:49] I love it, man. I absolutely love
Eddie: [01:36:50] it. I really do. And we ate them in a pine Creek Creek
Gagz: [01:36:55] Pine Creek. I had, I had em before loopy loop, but I, I, but I’ve literally been since the middle [01:37:00] of July. When I get done, my long runs, like anything more than 10 miles, I’m having protein balls straight off. It’s so crucial. I have my tailwind recovery and. Plants on fire.
Eddie: [01:37:11] That’s your nutritionist sort of, uh, made you
Gagz: [01:37:14] proud. She loves it. She loves it, loves it also right on because the packaging it’s, the packaging is so simple.
It’s just, there’s no, like there’s, there’s like two syllables for each ingredient and it’s an easy, like dates, almonds. Peanut butter filtered water.
Eddie: [01:37:32] Yeah.
Gagz: [01:37:33] I mean, there’s, there’s no bullshit.
Eddie: [01:37:35] Yeah.
Gagz: [01:37:35] So good, man. I love it.
Eddie: [01:37:37] Right. And then immediately after that workout, too, you’re running, you’re running the volume that you’re running
Gagz: [01:37:42] and folks at home, the giveaway is going to be happening as soon as you’re hearing these words, the giveaway is happening. So go ahead. Follow myself @BDG123 on Instagram, follow Danielle @Plants.On.Fire on her Instagram account, tag her friend in the comments and you’ll receive one entry, [01:38:00] share the story. Ah, you get extra, extra credit. So please guys, could I
Eddie: [01:38:06] apply to win?
Gagz: [01:38:09] No, because you’re a friend of close to close to the organization. How would it look if they, if, if we announced Eddie was the winner, I’d be like, ah, come on, man. Eddie one really. So no at a, you’re not going to turn it. You’re not, you’re not allowed. Also, if you live in Hawaii or Alaska, you’re screwed.
Eddie: [01:38:27] Yeah. Tough guys. You’re just taking that scenery. Yeah. They don’t need protein balls in those places. Now they don’t
Gagz: [01:38:34] know. As we wrap up here, I want to wish everyone out there. A Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy Kwanzaa. Happy boxing day. I prefer solstice or Festivus, or he just might be a Friday, like I’ve just regular Friday for you, but whatever it is, guys, um, just be nice to one another, you know, 21 is going to be right around the corner and I [01:39:00] don’t know if things will get any better.
They probably can’t get any, any worse, but, um, just be kind to one another, don’t be a Dick. That’s the easiest thing in the world. Be a nice person. Be kind love your neighbor. Giant
Eddie: [01:39:17] ma
Gagz: [01:39:18] right Eddie. Yeah. This ain’t hard. People be healthy, stay healthy. Anything
Eddie: [01:39:26] 2020 has taught us, man, is that we got to, we really got to work together.
Gagz: [01:39:31] I agree with you.
Eddie: [01:39:32] Be. Plenty kind to one another
Gagz: [01:39:34] man. Now, more so than ever. It’s like the sense of community, you know, we don’t, we need a sense of community. One thing about this podcast it’s been great is it’s like in the absence of races, I’ve met so many cool people by doing this pocket, but being part of the community and, and we need more community now, more so than ever. More so than ever.
Eddie: [01:39:55] There’s nothing funny about peace, love and understanding them, nothing,
Gagz: [01:39:58] Nothing at all. Peace [01:40:00] love and understanding neti. I just say peace and love everybody. Um, so thank you. This is the end of season one. Yeah. You might have a bonus episode. I don’t know. Who knows. I don’t know between now and season two.
I’m not sure, but there, but there will be a season two that I am sure of. Thank you everyone. Thank you to all the team, Mike, our engineer, Ashley, Dylan, Devon, Christopher Plant, my man. Christopher Plant. Thank you so much buddy. That’s the end of season one, guys. Peace and love. Thank you.
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